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External Ethernet HD and Mirroing
Gstark33 28 June 2005 07:50:26
	Do any of the new inexpensive ethernet external drives support mirroring? My wife now works from home and I (as her IT guy) want to set up a fail safe backup/recovery system. I'd like to have two external drives mirrored to each other. Thanks in advance for any help Gary Starkweather
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Ron Reaugh 19 June 2005 02:28:11 [ permanent link ]
	"gstark33" <gstark33@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1119129779.793667.307600@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...> Do any of the new inexpensive ethernet external drives support> mirroring?> My wife now works from home and I (as her IT guy) want to set up a fail> safe backup/recovery system.> I'd like to have two external drives mirrored to each other. Use three or four and rotate one periodically to offsite(in the car etc. for backup). Consider removable SATA HDs in shock mounted trays like the KingWin KF83. This way the drives are mechanically external but device wise internal and thus appear to the system as internal. XP supports mirroring.
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Peter 19 June 2005 19:02:20 [ permanent link ]
	Use three or four and rotate one periodically to offsite(in the car etc. backup). Consider removable SATA HDs in shock mounted trays like the> KingWin KF83. This way the drives are mechanically external but device wise> internal and thus appear to the system as internal. XP supports mirroring. I think OP was talking about ETHERNET external drives.
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Dg 19 June 2005 22:56:02 [ permanent link ]
	"Ron Reaugh" <ron-reaugh@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:%d1te.335515$cg1.96760@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...> Use three or four and rotate one periodically to offsite(in the car etc. backup). Consider removable SATA HDs in shock mounted trays like the> KingWin KF83. This way the drives are mechanically external but device wise> internal and thus appear to the system as internal. XP supports mirroring. I was disappointed to find out that XP does not support mirroring. At least not by itself in software, you need a hardware RAID card to do mirroring, or follow some instructions on some guys website for hacking XP to do mirroring. --Dan
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Neill Massello 20 June 2005 01:10:28 [ permanent link ]
	gstark33 <gstark33@yahoo.com> wrote: Do any of the new inexpensive ethernet external drives support> mirroring? Buffalo <http://www.buffalotech.com/products/storage.php> makes some multiple-drive NAS boxes that do RAID, but they're not exactly "inexpensive". Consumer NAS boxes contain a single drive and a USB port for an additional drive, but don't support any kind of RAID. There are some inexpensive dual-drive enclosures that do striping, but I don't know if any do mirroring reliably. My wife now works from home and I (as her IT guy) want to set up a fail> safe backup/recovery system.> I'd like to have two external drives mirrored to each other. Two drives will give you more backup safety for the buck if they're in separate enclosures (or hot-swap carriers) and kept in separate locations (or a fire safe). At least one of the two drives used for backup should not be powered up and mounted all the time. Not as convenient as a simple NAS mirror, but the minimum for a "fail-safe" system with two drives.
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Rod Speed 20 June 2005 01:46:39 [ permanent link ]
	dg <dan_gus@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:6djte.30851$J12.22504@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...> Ron Reaugh <ron-reaugh@worldnet.att.net> wrote Use three or four and rotate one periodically to offsite(in the car etc.>> for backup). Consider removable SATA HDs in shock mounted trays>> like the KingWin KF83. This way the drives are mechanically external>> but device wise internal and thus appear to the system as internal.>> XP supports mirroring. I was disappointed to find out that XP does not support mirroring. Yes it does, but that does depend on the version. At least not by itself in software, Fraid so. you need a hardware RAID card to do mirroring, Nope, not with the right XP version. or follow some instructions on some guys> website for hacking XP to do mirroring. Thats just a kludge, using whats in some versions of XP.
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Ron Reaugh 20 June 2005 03:18:12 [ permanent link ]
	"Peter" <peterfoxghost@yahoo.ca> wrote in message news:1Ofte.823$X57.21661@news20.bellglobal.com...> > Use three or four and rotate one periodically to offsite(in the car etc.> for> > backup). Consider removable SATA HDs in shock mounted trays like the> > KingWin KF83. This way the drives are mechanically external but device> wise> > internal and thus appear to the system as internal. XP supports> mirroring.> I think OP was talking about ETHERNET external drives. YES, the OP did so title the thread. If one reads his post then ethernet seems to not be relevant. So I answered with the best solution.
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Ron Reaugh 20 June 2005 03:18:55 [ permanent link ]
	"dg" <dan_gus@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:6djte.30851$J12.22504@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...> "Ron Reaugh" <ron-reaugh@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message> news:%d1te.335515$cg1.96760@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...> > Use three or four and rotate one periodically to offsite(in the car etc.> for> > backup). Consider removable SATA HDs in shock mounted trays like the> > KingWin KF83. This way the drives are mechanically external but device> wise> > internal and thus appear to the system as internal. XP supports> mirroring.> I was disappointed to find out that XP does not support mirroring. You are mistaken: http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/dm_add_mirror_existing.mspx
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Eric Gisin 20 June 2005 05:19:51 [ permanent link ]
	"Ron Reaugh" <ron-reaugh@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:z3nte.338849$cg1.42924@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...> "dg" <dan_gus@hotmail.com> wrote in message> news:6djte.30851$J12.22504@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...> > I was disappointed to find out that XP does not support mirroring.> You are mistaken:> http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/dm_add_mirror_existi ng.mspx> Have you actually tried it? Nobody else has reported it can be done. http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/sag_diskhowto_3.mspx shows other features. I think they are only available when you use disk manager remotely to Server versions.
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Ron Reaugh 20 June 2005 06:30:00 [ permanent link ]
	"Eric Gisin" <ericgisin@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:d955k401aj6@enews3.newsguy.com...> "Ron Reaugh" <ron-reaugh@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message> news:z3nte.338849$cg1.42924@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...> > "dg" <dan_gus@hotmail.com> wrote in message> > news:6djte.30851$J12.22504@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...> > > I was disappointed to find out that XP does not support mirroring.> > You are mistaken:> > http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/dm_add_mirror_existi> ng.mspx> > Have you actually tried it? Nobody else has reported it can be done. HMM, that's correct. Only RAID 0 in XP is natively supported.
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Arno Wagner 20 June 2005 16:13:44 [ permanent link ]
	Previously gstark33 <gstark33@yahoo.com> wrote:> Do any of the new inexpensive ethernet external drives support> mirroring? AFAIK no. My wife now works from home and I (as her IT guy) want to set up a fail> safe backup/recovery system. I'd like to have two external drives mirrored to each other. I can understand that very well. Thanks in advance for any help My advice would be to do it yourself with a real computer running Linux and software-RAID1, i.e. two disks that mirror each other. Then export the space via NFS (if you use Linux/Unix) or SAMBA (if you use Windows). For the server best use some older, reliable hardware, e.g. an older computer you trust. If you buy new hardware, go for older, reliable stuff, not cutting edge. Also keep a spare disk handy. The advantage of this approach is that you know what you get, you understand the technology and you can repair/upgrade/modify it yourself. The disadvantage is that it requires some work. I don't think it will be more expensive. Arno
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Peter 20 June 2005 17:22:54 [ permanent link ]
	Do any of the new inexpensive ethernet external drives support> mirroring? No. My wife now works from home and I (as her IT guy) want to set up a fail> safe backup/recovery system.> I'd like to have two external drives mirrored to each other. How is that going to help? You need first to answer yourself a few basic questions about backup/recovery: 1. Where are critical files being located in the first place? (local hard disk on her PC?) 2. How important is to be able to restore in situations of house fire/flood, theft or a massive power damage? 3. How much time do you allow for system recovery or data restore? 4. How much data needs to be protected? 5. Do you need to keep old file versions for restore (in case of unnoticed data corruption)? Peter
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Folkert Rienstra 20 June 2005 17:55:49 [ permanent link ]
	"Eric Gisin" <ericgisin@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:d955k401aj6@enews3.newsguy.com...> "Ron Reaugh" <ron-reaugh@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:z3nte.338849$cg1.42924@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...> > "dg" <dan_gus@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:6djte.30851$J12.22504@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...> > > I was disappointed to find out that XP does not support mirroring.> > You are mistaken:> > http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/dm_add_mirror_existi> ng.mspx What an fine use of OE-QuoteFix to have it break what isn't really broken in OE. Have you actually tried it? Nobody else has reported it can be done.> http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/sag_diskhowto_3.mspx> shows other features.> I think they are only available when you use disk manager remotely to Server versions.>
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Dg 20 June 2005 21:06:49 [ permanent link ]
	"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:3hm7e2Fhpe9mU1@individual.net...>> you need a hardware RAID card to do mirroring,> Nope, not with the right XP version. Which XP version supports software drive mirroring? I have never seen it done but perhaps I have just been using the wrong version. I use XP Pro. THANKS! --Dan
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Ron Reaugh 20 June 2005 22:04:16 [ permanent link ]
	"Arno Wagner" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message news:3hnq7oFhv1tpU1@individual.net...> Previously gstark33 <gstark33@yahoo.com> wrote:> > Do any of the new inexpensive ethernet external drives support> > mirroring?> AFAIK no.> My wife now works from home and I (as her IT guy) want to set up a fail> > safe backup/recovery system.> I'd like to have two external drives mirrored to each other.> I can understand that very well.> Thanks in advance for any help> My advice would be to do it yourself with a real computer running> Linux and software-RAID1, i.e. two disks that mirror each other.> Then export the space via NFS (if you use Linux/Unix) or> SAMBA (if you use Windows). For the server best use some older,> reliable hardware, e.g. an older computer you trust. If you buy> new hardware, go for older, reliable stuff, not cutting edge.> Also keep a spare disk handy.> The advantage of this approach is that you know what you get, you> understand the technology and you can repair/upgrade/modify it> yourself. The disadvantage is that it requires some work. I> don't think it will be more expensive. I've rarely seen such a bad set of advice. The user should simply mirror two drives on a PC and then keep a 3rd[4th] HD for offsite backup. The 3rd[&4th] should be rotated offsite as a backup.
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Rod Speed 20 June 2005 22:49:04 [ permanent link ]
	dg <dan_gus@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:JICte.380$N22.3@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...> Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote you need a hardware RAID card to do mirroring, Nope, not with the right XP version. Which XP version supports software drive mirroring? Pretty sure server 2003 does. The MS docs are a bit vague on that, they certainly say You can mirror volumes only on computers running Windows 2000 Server, Windows 2000 Advanced Server, or Windows 2000 Datacenter Server. in the XP Pro help. I have never seen it done but perhaps I have just been using the wrong version. I use XP Pro. Yes, it certainly cant do it.
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Rod Speed 20 June 2005 22:53:40 [ permanent link ]
	Ron Reaugh <ron-reaugh@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:AyDte.341235$cg1.16096@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...> Arno Wagner <me@privacy.net> wrote>> gstark33 <gstark33@yahoo.com> wrote Do any of the new inexpensive ethernet external drives support mirroring? AFAIK no. My wife now works from home and I (as her IT guy)>>> want to set up a fail safe backup/recovery system. I'd like to have two external drives mirrored to each other. I can understand that very well. My advice would be to do it yourself with a real computer running>> Linux and software-RAID1, i.e. two disks that mirror each other.>> Then export the space via NFS (if you use Linux/Unix) or>> SAMBA (if you use Windows). For the server best use some older,>> reliable hardware, e.g. an older computer you trust. If you buy>> new hardware, go for older, reliable stuff, not cutting edge.>> Also keep a spare disk handy. The advantage of this approach is that you know what you get, you>> understand the technology and you can repair/upgrade/modify it>> yourself. The disadvantage is that it requires some work. I>> don't think it will be more expensive. I've rarely seen such a bad set of advice. Its not bad advice. I'd personally do it using Win and RAID in the extra PC. Mainly because that give you a lot more flexibility than with a ethernet hard drive box. The user should simply mirror two drives on a PC and then keep a 3rd[4th] HD> for offsite backup. The 3rd[&4th] should be rotated offsite as a backup. That wouldnt be as convenient to use.
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Neil Maxwell 20 June 2005 23:36:11 [ permanent link ]
	On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 21:10:28 GMT, neillmassello@earthlink.net (Neill Massello) wrote: gstark33 <gstark33@yahoo.com> wrote:> Do any of the new inexpensive ethernet external drives support>> mirroring?> Buffalo <http://www.buffalotech.com/products/storage.php> makes some>multiple-drive NAS boxes that do RAID, but they're not exactly>"inexpensive". Consumer NAS boxes contain a single drive and a USB port>for an additional drive, but don't support any kind of RAID. There are>some inexpensive dual-drive enclosures that do striping, but I don't>know if any do mirroring reliably. The Buffalotech Linkstation (under $300) doesn't support RAID, but it will automatically back up to a second drive connected to the USB port. Users report that this backup is slow and inflexible, with some bugs in the implementation. I haven't used it myself, though. Not as real-time as RAID, but it would give you some redundancy for a relatively reasonable price. Reportedly low noise and low power, as well. The affordable home ethernet drive market's not very mature yet. I'm testing the Iomega version right now (pretty slow, with a few quirks, and no USB/FW port, but relatively inexpensive). Dunno yet if I'm going to keep it or not. -- Neil Maxwell - I don't speak for my employer
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Ron Reaugh 20 June 2005 23:44:33 [ permanent link ]
	"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:3hohlnFhi222U1@individual.net...> Ron Reaugh <ron-reaugh@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message> news:AyDte.341235$cg1.16096@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...> > Arno Wagner <me@privacy.net> wrote> >> gstark33 <gstark33@yahoo.com> wrote> Do any of the new inexpensive ethernet external drives support mirroring?> AFAIK no.> My wife now works from home and I (as her IT guy)> >>> want to set up a fail safe backup/recovery system.> I'd like to have two external drives mirrored to each other.> I can understand that very well.> My advice would be to do it yourself with a real computer running> >> Linux and software-RAID1, i.e. two disks that mirror each other.> >> Then export the space via NFS (if you use Linux/Unix) or> >> SAMBA (if you use Windows). For the server best use some older,> >> reliable hardware, e.g. an older computer you trust. If you buy> >> new hardware, go for older, reliable stuff, not cutting edge.> >> Also keep a spare disk handy.> The advantage of this approach is that you know what you get, you> >> understand the technology and you can repair/upgrade/modify it> >> yourself. The disadvantage is that it requires some work. I> >> don't think it will be more expensive.> I've rarely seen such a bad set of advice.> Its not bad advice. I'd personally do it using Win and> RAID in the extra PC. Mainly because that give you a> lot more flexibility than with a ethernet hard drive box.> The user should simply mirror two drives on a PC and then keep a 3rd[4th] HD> > for offsite backup. The 3rd[&4th] should be rotated offsite as a backup.> That wouldnt be as convenient to use. Nonsense, it's the most convenient.
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Folkert Rienstra 21 June 2005 00:11:08 [ permanent link ]
	Watch Roddies extremely honed_to_perfection bullshitting skills in action. "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:3hohdbFhk9lkU1@individual.net> dg <dan_gus@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:JICte.380$N22.3@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...> > Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote> you need a hardware RAID card to do mirroring,> Nope, not with the right XP version.> Which XP version supports software drive mirroring?> Pretty sure server 2003 does. The MS docs> are a bit vague on that, they certainly say> You can mirror volumes only on computers running Windows 2000 Server,> Windows 2000 Advanced Server, or Windows 2000 Datacenter Server.> in the XP Pro help.> I have never seen it done but perhaps I have> just been using the wrong version. I use XP Pro.> Yes, it certainly cant do it.
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Rod Speed 21 June 2005 00:36:15 [ permanent link ]
	"Ron Reaugh" <ron-reaugh@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:B0Fte.995284$w62.987960@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...> "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message> news:3hohlnFhi222U1@individual.net...>> Ron Reaugh <ron-reaugh@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message>> news:AyDte.341235$cg1.16096@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...>> > Arno Wagner <me@privacy.net> wrote>> >> gstark33 <gstark33@yahoo.com> wrote>> Do any of the new inexpensive ethernet external drives support> mirroring?>> AFAIK no.>> My wife now works from home and I (as her IT guy)>> >>> want to set up a fail safe backup/recovery system.>> I'd like to have two external drives mirrored to each other.>> I can understand that very well.>> My advice would be to do it yourself with a real computer running>> >> Linux and software-RAID1, i.e. two disks that mirror each other.>> >> Then export the space via NFS (if you use Linux/Unix) or>> >> SAMBA (if you use Windows). For the server best use some older,>> >> reliable hardware, e.g. an older computer you trust. If you buy>> >> new hardware, go for older, reliable stuff, not cutting edge.>> >> Also keep a spare disk handy.>> The advantage of this approach is that you know what you get, you>> >> understand the technology and you can repair/upgrade/modify it>> >> yourself. The disadvantage is that it requires some work. I>> >> don't think it will be more expensive.>> I've rarely seen such a bad set of advice.>> Its not bad advice. I'd personally do it using Win and>> RAID in the extra PC. Mainly because that give you a>> lot more flexibility than with a ethernet hard drive box.>> The user should simply mirror two drives on a PC and then keep a> 3rd[4th] HD>> > for offsite backup. The 3rd[&4th] should be rotated offsite as a> backup.>> That wouldnt be as convenient to use.> Nonsense, it's the most convenient. Nope, not if the PC cant handle the removal of the drives easily.
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Ron Reaugh 21 June 2005 01:27:54 [ permanent link ]
	"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:3honm9Fi312aU1@individual.net...> "Ron Reaugh" <ron-reaugh@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message> news:B0Fte.995284$w62.987960@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...> > "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message> > news:3hohlnFhi222U1@individual.net...> >> Ron Reaugh <ron-reaugh@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message> >> news:AyDte.341235$cg1.16096@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...> >> > Arno Wagner <me@privacy.net> wrote> >> >> gstark33 <gstark33@yahoo.com> wrote> >> Do any of the new inexpensive ethernet external drives support> > mirroring?> >> AFAIK no.> >> My wife now works from home and I (as her IT guy)> >> >>> want to set up a fail safe backup/recovery system.> >> I'd like to have two external drives mirrored to each other.> >> I can understand that very well.> >> My advice would be to do it yourself with a real computer running> >> >> Linux and software-RAID1, i.e. two disks that mirror each other.> >> >> Then export the space via NFS (if you use Linux/Unix) or> >> >> SAMBA (if you use Windows). For the server best use some older,> >> >> reliable hardware, e.g. an older computer you trust. If you buy> >> >> new hardware, go for older, reliable stuff, not cutting edge.> >> >> Also keep a spare disk handy.> >> The advantage of this approach is that you know what you get, you> >> >> understand the technology and you can repair/upgrade/modify it> >> >> yourself. The disadvantage is that it requires some work. I> >> >> don't think it will be more expensive.> >> I've rarely seen such a bad set of advice.> >> Its not bad advice. I'd personally do it using Win and> >> RAID in the extra PC. Mainly because that give you a> >> lot more flexibility than with a ethernet hard drive box.> >> The user should simply mirror two drives on a PC and then keep a> > 3rd[4th] HD> >> > for offsite backup. The 3rd[&4th] should be rotated offsite as a> > backup.> >> That wouldnt be as convenient to use.> > Nonsense, it's the most convenient.> Nope, not if the PC cant handle the removal of the drives easily. Nope, using SATA and removable trays like KingWin KF-83 it's the most convenient.
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Rod Speed 21 June 2005 04:43:23 [ permanent link ]
	"Ron Reaugh" <ron-reaugh@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:uxGte.995735$w62.562448@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...> "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message> news:3honm9Fi312aU1@individual.net...>> "Ron Reaugh" <ron-reaugh@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message>> news:B0Fte.995284$w62.987960@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...>> > "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message>> > news:3hohlnFhi222U1@individual.net...>> >> Ron Reaugh <ron-reaugh@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message>> >> news:AyDte.341235$cg1.16096@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...>> >> > Arno Wagner <me@privacy.net> wrote>> >> >> gstark33 <gstark33@yahoo.com> wrote>> >> Do any of the new inexpensive ethernet external drives support>> > mirroring?>> >> AFAIK no.>> >> My wife now works from home and I (as her IT guy)>> >> >>> want to set up a fail safe backup/recovery system.>> >> I'd like to have two external drives mirrored to each other.>> >> I can understand that very well.>> >> My advice would be to do it yourself with a real computer running>> >> >> Linux and software-RAID1, i.e. two disks that mirror each other.>> >> >> Then export the space via NFS (if you use Linux/Unix) or>> >> >> SAMBA (if you use Windows). For the server best use some older,>> >> >> reliable hardware, e.g. an older computer you trust. If you buy>> >> >> new hardware, go for older, reliable stuff, not cutting edge.>> >> >> Also keep a spare disk handy.>> >> The advantage of this approach is that you know what you get, you>> >> >> understand the technology and you can repair/upgrade/modify it>> >> >> yourself. The disadvantage is that it requires some work. I>> >> >> don't think it will be more expensive.>> >> I've rarely seen such a bad set of advice.>> >> Its not bad advice. I'd personally do it using Win and>> >> RAID in the extra PC. Mainly because that give you a>> >> lot more flexibility than with a ethernet hard drive box.>> >> The user should simply mirror two drives on a PC and then keep a>> > 3rd[4th] HD>> >> > for offsite backup. The 3rd[&4th] should be rotated offsite as a>> > backup.>> >> That wouldnt be as convenient to use.>> > Nonsense, it's the most convenient.>> Nope, not if the PC cant handle the removal of the drives easily. Nope, Yep. using SATA and removable trays like KingWin KF-83 it's the most convenient. Assuming the number required will fit.
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Rod Speed 21 June 2005 08:15:01 [ permanent link ]
	I'm gunna ignore all your puerile attempts at trolling, fucknert. Folkert Rienstra <see_reply-to@myweb.nl> wrote in message news:42b761e8$0$54626$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net...
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Ron Reaugh 21 June 2005 09:50:23 [ permanent link ]
	I go away for awhile and you turned it over to the wackos. "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:3hpii8Fi7tqrU1@individual.net...> I'm gunna ignore all your puerile attempts at trolling, fucknert.> Folkert Rienstra <see_reply-to@myweb.nl> wrote in message> news:42b761e8$0$54626$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net...>
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Rod Speed 21 June 2005 13:42:03 [ permanent link ]
	Ron Reaugh <ron-reaugh@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:zUNte.343049$cg1.185100@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... I go away for awhile You got the bums rush, very spectacularly indeed, actually. and you turned it over to the wackos. You'd know all about wackos. Rod Speed <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote I'm gunna ignore all your puerile attempts at trolling, fucknert. Folkert Rienstra <see_reply-to@myweb.nl> wrote in message>> news:42b761e8$0$54626$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net...
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Eric Gisin 21 June 2005 18:18:49 [ permanent link ]
	The head wacko speaks. Go away again. "Ron Reaugh" <ron-reaugh@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:zUNte.343049$cg1.185100@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...> I go away for awhile and you turned it over to the wackos.> "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message> news:3hpii8Fi7tqrU1@individual.net...> > I'm gunna ignore all your puerile attempts at trolling, fucknert.> > Folkert Rienstra <see_reply-to@myweb.nl> wrote in message> > news:42b761e8$0$54626$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net...> >
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Folkert Rienstra 21 June 2005 18:35:21 [ permanent link ]
	"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:3hpii8Fi7tqrU1@individual.net> I'm gunny ignore all your puerile attempts at trolling, fucknert. Wanna bet? It's not in your nature Rodney, and you broke your promise already. Folkert Rienstra <see_reply-to@myweb.nl> wrote in message> news:42b761e8$0$54626$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net...
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Folkert Rienstra 21 June 2005 18:38:07 [ permanent link ]
	"Ron Reaugh" <ron-reaugh@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:zUNte.343049$cg1.185100@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> I go away for awhile and you turned it over to the wackos. You give him far too much honor. When you left he wasn't here yet. When you left you actually gave "wacko" Rod Speed his chance to take your place. One wacko replacing another. "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:3hpii8Fi7tqrU1@individual.net...> > I'm gonna ignore all your puerile attempts at trolling, fucknert.> > Folkert Rienstra <see_reply-to@myweb.nl> wrote in message> > news:42b761e8$0$54626$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net...
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Ron Reaugh 21 June 2005 21:23:32 [ permanent link ]
	The gisen newbie has never changed. "Eric Gisin" <ericgisin@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:d997o612p4h@enews3.newsguy.com...> The head wacko speaks. Go away again.> "Ron Reaugh" <ron-reaugh@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message> news:zUNte.343049$cg1.185100@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...> > I go away for awhile and you turned it over to the wackos.> > "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message> > news:3hpii8Fi7tqrU1@individual.net...> > > I'm gunna ignore all your puerile attempts at trolling, fucknert.> > > Folkert Rienstra <see_reply-to@myweb.nl> wrote in message> > > news:42b761e8$0$54626$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net...> > >
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Rod Speed 21 June 2005 21:34:10 [ permanent link ]
	Puerile attempt at a troll flushed where it belongs. Folkert Rienstra <see_reply-to@myweb.nl> wrote in message news:42b82ca1$0$76394$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net...
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Al Dykes 21 June 2005 21:47:58 [ permanent link ]
	In article <1gyeoek.dy242igktaaoN%neillmassello@earthlink.net>, Neill Massello <neillmassello@earthlink.net> wrote:>gstark33 <gstark33@yahoo.com> wrote:> Do any of the new inexpensive ethernet external drives support>> mirroring?> Buffalo <http://www.buffalotech.com/products/storage.php> makes some>multiple-drive NAS boxes that do RAID, but they're not exactly>"inexpensive". Consumer NAS boxes contain a single drive and a USB port>for an additional drive, but don't support any kind of RAID. There are>some inexpensive dual-drive enclosures that do striping, but I don't>know if any do mirroring reliably. > My wife now works from home and I (as her IT guy) want to set up a fail>> safe backup/recovery system.>> I'd like to have two external drives mirrored to each other.> Two drives will give you more backup safety for the buck if they're in>separate enclosures (or hot-swap carriers) and kept in separate>locations (or a fire safe). At least one of the two drives used for>backup should not be powered up and mounted all the time. Not as>convenient as a simple NAS mirror, but the minimum for a "fail-safe">system with two drives. > XP doesn't do RAID1. IMO putting a second disk in a machine and using Acrinis TI or one of the other image backup tools is even better than RAID1. RAID1 doesn't give you the kind of backup lets you recover a file you deleted by accident, or yesterday and want it back. Keeping generations of images on a big second disk lets you do this. An Image backup will give yo an easy way to protect yourself prior to doing a major OS or applicaiton upgrade. You can tell TI to break your images up to fit on CDR or DVDR media so you can burn backups for offsite backup. If you crash your C drive you get a replacement drive, boot the TI recovery CD and restore. It takes just a few minutes. About a minute per GB. If you need to be back in business immediatly buy a spare disk. -- a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m Don't blame me. I voted for Gore.
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Ron Reaugh 21 June 2005 23:45:07 [ permanent link ]
	RAID 1 and backup are two different things and cover different exposures. Both are often needed. And RAID 1 by switching drives can also cover backup needs. Generally a compressed image backup like TrueImage to a removable HD is the best backup solution. RAID 1 is very easy and inexpensive to get these days. Most good mobos have it builtin for XP. An addon card is less than $100 for RAID 1 on XP. "Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message news:d99jse$3ap$1@panix5.panix.com...> In article <1gyeoek.dy242igktaaoN%neillmassello@earthlink.net>,> Neill Massello <neillmassello@earthlink.net> wrote:> >gstark33 <gstark33@yahoo.com> wrote:> > Do any of the new inexpensive ethernet external drives support> >> mirroring?> > Buffalo <http://www.buffalotech.com/products/storage.php> makes some> >multiple-drive NAS boxes that do RAID, but they're not exactly> >"inexpensive". Consumer NAS boxes contain a single drive and a USB port> >for an additional drive, but don't support any kind of RAID. There are> >some inexpensive dual-drive enclosures that do striping, but I don't> >know if any do mirroring reliably.> > My wife now works from home and I (as her IT guy) want to set up a fail> >> safe backup/recovery system.> >> I'd like to have two external drives mirrored to each other.> > Two drives will give you more backup safety for the buck if they're in> >separate enclosures (or hot-swap carriers) and kept in separate> >locations (or a fire safe). At least one of the two drives used for> >backup should not be powered up and mounted all the time. Not as> >convenient as a simple NAS mirror, but the minimum for a "fail-safe"> >system with two drives.> > XP doesn't do RAID1. IMO putting a second disk in a machine and using> Acrinis TI or one of the other image backup tools is even better than> RAID1.> RAID1 doesn't give you the kind of backup lets you recover a file you> deleted by accident, or yesterday and want it back. Keeping> generations of images on a big second disk lets you do this. An Image> backup will give yo an easy way to protect yourself prior to doing a> major OS or applicaiton upgrade.> You can tell TI to break your images up to fit on CDR or DVDR media so> you can burn backups for offsite backup.> If you crash your C drive you get a replacement drive, boot the TI> recovery CD and restore. It takes just a few minutes. About a minute> per GB. If you need to be back in business immediatly buy a spare> disk.> -- > a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m> Don't blame me. I voted for Gore.
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Al Dykes 21 June 2005 23:49:23 [ permanent link ]
	In article <77_te.344859$cg1.318113@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, Ron Reaugh <ron-reaugh@worldnet.att.net> wrote:>RAID 1 and backup are two different things and cover different exposures.>Both are often needed. And RAID 1 by switching drives can also cover backup>needs. Generally a compressed image backup like TrueImage to a removable HD>is the best backup solution. RAID 1 is very easy and inexpensive to get>these days. Most good mobos have it builtin for XP. An addon card is less>than $100 for RAID 1 on XP.> "Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message>news:d99jse$3ap$1@panix5.panix.com...>> In article <1gyeoek.dy242igktaaoN%neillmassello@earthlink.net>,>> Neill Massello <neillmassello@earthlink.net> wrote:>> >gstark33 <gstark33@yahoo.com> wrote:>> > Do any of the new inexpensive ethernet external drives support>> >> mirroring?>> > Buffalo <http://www.buffalotech.com/products/storage.php> makes some>> >multiple-drive NAS boxes that do RAID, but they're not exactly>> >"inexpensive". Consumer NAS boxes contain a single drive and a USB port>> >for an additional drive, but don't support any kind of RAID. There are>> >some inexpensive dual-drive enclosures that do striping, but I don't>> >know if any do mirroring reliably.>> > My wife now works from home and I (as her IT guy) want to set up a fail>> >> safe backup/recovery system.>> >> Back to the OP, Raid1 isn't a backup system as the phrase is generally used. -- a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m Don't blame me. I voted for Gore.
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Chrisv 22 June 2005 01:06:21 [ permanent link ]
	Rod Speed wrote: Ron Reaugh <ron-reaugh@worldnet.att.net> wrote: Schizophrenia in action. Fascinating. It's like watching Gollum and Smeagol fight for control of the same body. Except in this case, both personalities are evil.
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Folkert Rienstra 22 June 2005 02:50:24 [ permanent link ]
	"Ron Reaugh" <ron-reaugh@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:o2Yte.1000674$w62.543761@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> The gisen newbie has never changed. Aha, but you have. And what a change it makes. "Eric Gisin" <ericgisin@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:d997o612p4h@enews3.newsguy.com...> > The head wacko speaks. Go away again.> > "Ron Reaugh" <ron-reaugh@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:zUNte.343049$cg1.185100@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...> > > I go away for awhile and you turned it over to the wackos.> > > "Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:3hpii8Fi7tqrU1@individual.net...> > > > I'm gonna ignore all your puerile attempts at trolling, fucknert.> > > > Folkert Rienstra <see_reply-to@myweb.nl> wrote in message news:42b761e8$0$54626$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net...
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Folkert Rienstra 22 June 2005 02:51:22 [ permanent link ]
	"Rod Speed" <rod_speed@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:3hr1clFieg2gU1@individual.net> Puerile attempt at a troll flushed where it belongs. See!?!. It's not in your nature. Folkert Rienstra <see_reply-to@myweb.nl> wrote in message> news:42b82ca1$0$76394$892e7fe2@authen.white.readfreenews.net...
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Guest 23 June 2005 23:52:33 [ permanent link ]
	To be able to perform mirroring you need to have RAID support two solutiosn come to mind if you require a professional setup with reailibilty LaCie do good options and also Nexon www.lacie.com www.thenexon.com Hope this helps
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Jason Gurtz 28 June 2005 03:01:27 [ permanent link ]
	On 6/19/2005 14:56, dg wrote: I was disappointed to find out that XP does not support mirroring. At> least not by itself in software Nonsense! It most certainly does, at least in XP Prof. Be aware that you need to be using "Dynamic Disks" to do any sort of OS software based RAID. Go to disk management, click help, help topics. Switch to the index tab. Type "mir". Observe that "mirror sets, creating" is highlighted. That said, I've found through the hard way that a hardware raid card is best and easiest when it comes time to actually deal with a failed disk. I would never ever recommend software mirroring on windows to someone with less than an expert level of computer ability. Linux SW RAID may be reliable but it's asinine to think that even a well versed windows user could easily switch to using that without an enormous, time wasting effort. For the OP, looks like Buffalo tech has the TeraStation 1 Tera byte model that can do mirroring (you get then 500Gigs of storage) and heck, it's only a grand; what a bargain! <http://www.buffalotech.com/products/product-detail.php?productid=97&categoryid=19> ~Jason --
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Rod Speed 28 June 2005 04:44:12 [ permanent link ]
	Jason Gurtz <ask@NOmeSPAM.where> wrote in message news:11c11aa7t76ga6d@corp.supernews.com...> dg wrote I was disappointed to find out that XP does not support mirroring.>> At least not by itself in software Nonsense! It most certainly does, at least in XP Prof. Be aware that you> need to be using "Dynamic Disks" to do any sort of OS software based> RAID. Go to disk management, click help, help topics. Switch to the index> tab. Type "mir". Observe that "mirror sets, creating" is highlighted. Pity that leads via the internal link to Creating a mirror Volume to the statement a.. You can create mirrored volumes only on computers running Windows 2000 Server, a.. Windows 2000 Advanced Server, or Windows 2000 Datacenter Server. That said, I've found through the hard way that a hardware raid card is> best and easiest when it comes time to actually deal with a failed disk.> I would never ever recommend software mirroring on windows to> someone with less than an expert level of computer ability. Linux SW RAID> may be reliable but it's asinine to think that even a well versed windows user> could easily switch to using that without an enormous, time wasting effort. In spades when the OS doesnt even support it. For the OP, looks like Buffalo tech has the TeraStation 1 Tera> byte model that can do mirroring (you get then 500Gigs of> storage) and heck, it's only a grand; what a bargain!> <http://www.buffalotech.com/products/product-detail.php?productid=97&categoryid=19>
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Peter 28 June 2005 06:38:48 [ permanent link ]
	a.. You can create mirrored volumes only on computers running Windows 2000> Server,> a.. Windows 2000 Advanced Server, or Windows 2000 Datacenter Server. Or, from more recent help file: "-You can mirror volumes only on computers running Windows 2000 Server, Windows 2000 Advanced Server, Windows 2000 Datacenter Server, or the Windows Server 2003 family of operating systems."
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Rod Speed 28 June 2005 07:50:26 [ permanent link ]
	Peter <peterfoxghost@yahoo.ca> wrote in message news:_K2we.4590$mK5.307890@news20.bellglobal.com... a.. You can create mirrored volumes only on computers running Windows 2000>> Server, a.. Windows 2000 Advanced Server, or Windows 2000 Datacenter Server. Or, from more recent help file:> "-You can mirror volumes only on computers running Windows 2000 Server,> Windows 2000 Advanced Server, Windows 2000 Datacenter Server, or> the Windows Server 2003 family of operating systems." Thanks for that, I assumed they'd have to update that soon to include the Windows Server 2003 family. Mine is from XP Pro SP2.
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