I'm trying a genoless-polyself-less extinctionist game (and may I recommend against Arch-Lich summoning as a strategy? Don't ask, take my word for it
Anyway, I was hoping to fight Demogorgon this game, but Asmodeus, Yeenoghu, Juiblex and Orcus all died from things they summoned. I never laid a finger on 'em.
So unless Rodney himself can summon Demogorgon, I'm out of luck, right? And it looks like he *can't* despite an ambiguous thing in the Demogorgon FAQ that suggests he can.
Either Rodney can summon Demogorgon directly, or he has to summon a demon to do it for him. Who knows the story? Have you actually seen Rodney gate in Demogorgon after Orcus and Yeeno and company are all dead? Can any of these demons return after being disintegrated or otherwise destroyed?
Also, does a game count as extinctionist if you don't meet Demogorgon?
In article <DBO3e.284023$FM3.118452@fed1read02>, james wrote:
Either Rodney can summon Demogorgon directly, or he has to summon > a demon to do it for him. Who knows the story? Have you actually
I'm really not sure who summoned Demogorgon, but once in the Molochs sanctum a valk of mine met two Rodneys, the High Priest and Demo. This was on one of the two NAO tournament ascensions. There might have been nalfeshnees or somesuch, but don't really remember.
-- Panu "You haven't really been anywhere until you've got back home", Twoflower in "The Light Fantastic"
<fishbowl@conservatory.com> wrote:>So unless Rodney himself can summon Demogorgon, I'm out of luck, right?>And it looks like he *can't* despite an ambiguous thing in the>Demogorgon FAQ that suggests he can.
I've never actually seen him do it that I can remember, but Google Groups just kindly provided me with a post from Wes Irby about seeing a master lich summon Demogorgon, and my own experience of examining the source code says that he is capable of doing so, so he certainly can. -- Martin Read - my opinions are my own. share them if you wish. My roguelike games page (including my BSD-licenced roguelike) can be found at: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~mpread/roguelikes.html
In article <Xjo*Km-Kq@news.chiark.greenend.org.uk>, Martin Read <mpread@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
I've never actually seen him do it that I can remember, but Google Groups>just kindly provided me with a post from Wes Irby about seeing a master>lich summon Demogorgon, and my own experience of examining the source>code says that he is capable of doing so, so he certainly can.
Ok, I'll keep plugging along.
Extinction takes a while, but I'll be ready to summon Arch-Liches on the VS level pretty soon. Arch-Lich > Master-Lich, right?
Next puzzlement: How do you generate sea life to extinction? Create monster on the plane of water? Any less drastic approaches?
Quoting james <fishbowl@conservatory.com>:>So unless Rodney himself can summon Demogorgon, I'm out of luck, right?>And it looks like he *can't* despite an ambiguous thing in the>Demogorgon FAQ that suggests he can.
He did it to me in the tournament, so I would say he can. -- David Damerell <damerell@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Kill the tomato! Today is Second Potmos, April.
james wrote:> I'm trying a genoless-polyself-less extinctionist game (and may> I recommend against Arch-Lich summoning as a strategy? Don't ask,> take my word for it >
Anyway, I was hoping to fight Demogorgon this game, but Asmodeus,> Yeenoghu, Juiblex and Orcus all died from things they summoned.> I never laid a finger on 'em.>
I don't see wishless mentioned, so how about wishing for a statue of Demogorgon, and then casting stone to flesh on it? (It worked when I just started a Healer with nethack -D to start with a wand of wishing.)
james wrote:>> I'm trying a genoless-polyself-less extinctionist game (and may>> I recommend against Arch-Lich summoning as a strategy? Don't ask,>> take my word for it >>
Anyway, I was hoping to fight Demogorgon this game, but Asmodeus,>> Yeenoghu, Juiblex and Orcus all died from things they summoned.>> I never laid a finger on 'em.>>
I don't see wishless mentioned, so how about wishing for a statue of> Demogorgon, and then casting stone to flesh on it? (It worked when I> just started a Healer with nethack -D to start with a wand of> wishing.)>
I don't see wishless mentioned, so how about wishing for a statue of>> Demogorgon, and then casting stone to flesh on it? (It worked when I>> just started a Healer with nethack -D to start with a wand of>> wishing.)
Because this doesn't work in a normal game.
But he wasn't testing in wizard mode. He was playing in discovery mode, which is in all aspects the same as a normal game, except for the wand of wishing you start with and the fact that you can decline to die.
More specifically, discovery mode does *not* give unlimited wishing possibilities.
I don'tpreviousshless mentioned, so how about wishing for a statue>>> of Demogorgon, and then casting stone to flesh on it? (It worked>>> when I just started a Healer with nethack -D to start with a wand>>> of wishing.)>
Because this doesn't work in a normal game.>
But he wasn't testing in wizard mode. He was playing in discovery> mode, which is in all aspects the same as a normal game, except for> the wand of wishing you start with and the fact that you can decline> to die.>
More specifically, discovery mode does *not* give unlimited wishing> possibilities.>
Well, all i know is that i tried this in a real game and it did not work. It might have been a previous version of nethack but i did try it because i wanted to kill demogorgon for some reason or other.
I don't see wishless mentioned, so how about wishing for a statue of> Demogorgon, and then casting stone to flesh on it? (It worked when I> just started a Healer with nethack -D to start with a wand of wishing.)
If I have understood statues of unique monsters (that have not been created by hitting the real thing with a c corpse) correctly, they are actually statues of doppelgangers that only takes the shape of the unique monster. So this method gives you a nasty monster that can kill you in a few turns, but Demogorgon will not show up on the list of killed monsters.
But I have been confused about this before, so I might be wrong.
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